~ Atheist Chaz Stevens
So, the question is, what will Lake Worth do? Will they too, because of threat of legal suit, change the policy to a moment of silent prayer like Dania Beach, Coral Springs, Deerfield Beach and Delray Beach or stand up to the atheist/satanist like Boca Raton is doing?
I am sure that everyone is sick of this subject by now but it's serious enough to write about it to get the point across. The city of Lake Worth has placed it on the Consent Agenda hoping for little or no discussion. We might not find out how our elected officials think about it--wimp or warrior?
We have a small atheist influence in this city but those believing in a higher Being than themselves far outnumber them. And for all of you atheists out there who seem to praise the Supreme Court for all its liberal rulings of late, last year on a 5/4 decision it said that legislative bodies such as city councils can begin their meetings with prayer as long as it's solemn and respectful and even if it plainly favors a specific religion.
As Lake Worth allows representatives from all religions to give an invocation and it is a part of our history, we will find out tonight whether Lake Worth is wimp or warrior...whether sticks and stones really hurt their bones. I think that we already know the answer.
Source: NY Daily News
18 comments:
Atheism is a believe that there is no God… in this sense they are metaphysical naturalist, and in mot people's opinion atheism is not a religion, so why do thy even get a chance to do an invocation?
Our world beads to a rhythm of religion in a 1000 different ways across the globe and everyone is religious including atheist.
Religion certainly includes an idea of a God under whom man is inherently subservient, but religion also governs the belief system under girdling the way people think about and live their lives.
Religion tells followers who is their authority, Helps establish values and behaviors. It gives people a sense of morality and goodwill and guides them in a way that they treat themselves and others. Religion does nothing less than construct ones view of the world.
Atheist are possibly some of the most religious people in that they have a functioning God under whom they are subservient which is normally science, rationality but mainly themselves, that idea of God informs the way they live and interpret their lives. It establishes their biases, determines their values and governs any sense of morality or ethics they adhere to, or choose to ignore .
Once all that settled all that's left is the preaching… And they preach all the time.
This new breed of atheist is abscessed with the idea of God, they write books the liver speeches and of course comment bomb the Evangelical blogosphere while they generally rant on ad nausea him about the gills of believing in God .
Not only that it's almost comical… As some atheist must type the word God on the Internet many more times and Christians all of the search of more virulent ways to create shocking moments and deliver psychologically damaging abuse upon the rest of us.
They will argue endlessly that see-theists can't prove God exists without confessing that they can't orove he doesn't exist either.
God please help their lost souls. Amen.
My opinion is that religion has no place in a government meeting.
What makes it "religious?" It is just an inspirational message by those in the clergy. The Supreme Court says it is allowed. No one is promoting their religion on anyone so what's the problem? You and Chaz buddies?
Hell no, not a Chaz buddy. I just believe invocations are to be given by a recognized religion not some make believe belief system.
Dear Rev--I was answering John Rinaldi's comment. I like your point a lot and forwarded it to our city attorney.
Sane people are mostly opposed to people of this ilk but I agree, he should have a right to give an invocation no matter how repulsive it might be. It's not going to affect my life one iota other than to realize that atheists are totally screwing around with me. This guy is not going to disappear until every city gives into him. Pretty sick that all is. Who is sicker? The sane or the insane?
Thank goodness that civil rights are not based on what the majority wants. Civil rights is about all of our rights, I frankly don't want to hear prayer when I come to a city meeting there is no reason for it, but if you are going to pray on behalf of some religions then you have to open it up to all. By taking the invocation back to the commissioners they will now have to present prayers for all religions they can't pick and choose either.
All religion is make believe, so the City doesn't get to pick and choose, why have prayer at city meetings? Yes the Supreme Court said it was ok, but they also said that you'd have to include any and all if you have prayer and that includes Satanism, Wicca, Veganism, etc.
What time is the invocation... I'll arrive late
John Adams declares point blank that, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Personally I think it's good to let a Satanist or Atheist their time at the mic.
Freedom of Religion in the 1st amendment is clear:
"Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
No Law shall be made to stop it!
Silly Dais has no reading & comprehension skills or understanding of their Oath of Office! Even the Declaration of Independence speaks of Acts of Pretended Legislation or why we got ticked at the King:
"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:"
The Congress and Senate have opening invocations. But our little socialistic and liberal city can't handle it? Irony.
She was the last time the Congress or the Senate of the U.S. Or for that matter, Florida have an atheist or satanist do an invocation?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Well, ask our crack law firm and city manager. Maybe you'll get an answer. They would rather hide under a rock.
The difference between Congress and our City meetings and board meetings is that citizens are coming before our commission asking for relief in many instances. Having to pray in order to get a roof permit should not be allowed or coerced, many who attend will feel like they have to participate in prayer in order to get their permit. Citizens don't show up in front of Congress asking for same type of relief.
You don't think people come before Congress asking for "relief?" You are so full of BS anonymous. Getting a roof permit has nothing to do with city commission meetings.
Lousy attempt to make a point. Try again. We have so many &^%$# in this city. :)
""Well, the Catholics have wafers. We have nachos. They have the blood of Christ. We have cold Mexican cerveza".
Chaz,what will you have for eternity?
Eternity is a pretty big thing to gamble on being right about, Chaz.
Lynn, you are not understanding the way representative government works, no regular citizens do not come before Congress to ask for relief, they send their representative to do the asking.
In small town and city meetings the citizen is coming to ask the commission for relief and citizens should not have to pray or feel coerced to pray in order to win points with the commission in order to get what they are seeking. That is the difference between Congress and small town meetings as articulated by the most recent case law on this subject.
I know its hard for you, because you are in the Christian majority, to understand how uncomfortable it is for citizens to come to a small city meeting seeking some remedy and having to pray or pretend to pray so as not to offend the commission who are leading and/or endorsing the prayer. Perhaps you could try to think outside your own experience and recognize that there are many people in this City with various faiths or no faith at all. Why do we have to pray at meetings, can you not do your praying at church and leave municipal meetings for their purpose? Why have this decisive issue come up at each meeting?
Yeah, I know, anonymous at 5:21...I'm ignorant as chit. That's why people come before them on various issues--Brady's Law, Kate's Law, you name it, I've seen it. A private citizen cannot address Congress unless invited by congress or one of the congressional committees to do so...that is the difference. Here, we invite someone to come and give an invocation for two freaking minutes.
Next--NO one is forced to pray. NO one.
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