There was some discussion before the Historic Board meeting of Wednesday night when Katie McGiveron mentioned that the Gulfstream Hotel could be demolished. Another resident disagreed with her saying it could not be demolished. Below is the e-mail from the State of Florida, Historic Preservation Supervisor:
The Gulfstream Hotel was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1983. By 1998, the then-owner Holiday Inn was working with the National Park Service to receive historic preservation tax credits for its rehabilitation, and was certified August 30, 1999.
You are correct that it last sold to “HH Gulfstream Land Holdings LLC” in May of 2014, per the Palm Beach property appraiser website. Although it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, such designation only protects the property from federally-funded or permitted actions. Private owners may use the property as they wish, which includes the option of demolition.
I strongly encourage you to reach out to your Certified Local Government coordinator, Ms. Aimee Sunny, as she serves to protect locally-significant historic resources. Local designation via their historic preservation ordinance, or inclusion within a historic zoning overlay, would protect the property from demolition. If local support can be consolidated and voiced, then perhaps the developers can be encouraged to pursue a sensitive rehabilitation that would maintain its historic integrity. Ms. Sunny may be reached below:
City of Lake Worth
Ms. Aimee Sunny
Preservation Planner
7 North Dixie Highway
Lake Worth, FL 33460
Phone: (561) 586-1690
Fax: (561) 586-1750
Email: asunny@lakeworth.org
I hope this information helps in your efforts!
Best regards,
Desiree Estabrook, M.H.P. Historic Preservationist Supervisor for Survey & Registration | Division of Historical Resources | Florida Department of State | 500 South Bronough Street | Tallahassee, Florida 32399 | 850.245.6333 | 1.800.847.7278 | Fax: 850.245.6439 | Desiree.Estabrook@DOS.MyFlorida.com | dos.myflorida.com/historical
19 comments:
it boils down to this. HH can't be trusted. The city can't be trusted. The commission can't either.
Before saying you don't trust the City or the Commission you might want to ask what are the laws that protect historic structures in our city; what must HH do to get approval to demolish the hotel and what could we as a city residents do to encourage the owners to not tear it down. Once you know the rules and laws you can judge whether the city is fairly protecting the residents. Instead some of you immediately tear into the commission and the owners as if they are out to destroy the city. Your plan is to make it has hard as possible for the new owners to operate a successful hotel business unless they give you everything you want when it comes to just 10 feet of height they need to make this project work for them. So why not start with finding solutions instead of starting with hate speech. Why not look at ways to compromise and save the hotel. Do you realize that each year it stays empty makes it more likely it will have to come down as it no longer is a safe building to be in.
No more excuses. HH came here and said it was going to renovate this hotel. They haven't. First it was our casino they wanted. Then they gave promises to folks at the Gulfstream Hotel...had a secret meeting there...saying they could park their cars in the garage they were going to build. Now they want to have it all rezoned so that they can build more. Phooie. How dare they come in here, neglect this historic building to the extent that they have because all along they have wanted to demolish it. They knew about the heights Charter Amendment and did this corrupt city govt tell them "no problem?"
Do you have any clue what it took to do this referendum? The work that went into it was tremendous. It is about the vote, not the crappy 10 feet. If you give a developer 10 feet, he will want 35 feet and this city has guaranteed them to get 65 feet. Once gotten, it spreads like wildfire all down Lake and Lucerne on all property still zoned MF-30.
Why do you believe anything Hudson Holdings has to say?
I just hope someone sues. That's what all you little developer cheerleaders deserve. This hotel will sit here until they find a buyer or a partner somewhere. This is very sad and all wishful thinking. You hope that they will open this hotel and want to trash our vote on a developer pipe dream that you fell for. Next, they get this and then they get our casino complex?
Is everyone NUTS?
Do you live in America where elections count?
Looks like you live in a state controlled by Republicans that have decided not to allow your election to stand. That's a fact you just can't accept. Fight this hotel over one floor in height and tell me that makes sense because you won an election declared null by state law and I'm nuts. Do you have any idea how much it will help this city if this hotel opens and the new addition is just one story higher than your election allowed? I find this to be the dumbest fight you have ever entered.
That's your self-serving opinion, anonymous.
What is really dumb, is Hudson Holdings not building 4 stories and this commission egging this whole thing on.
I live in a state controlled by Republicans--that has nothing to do with our Charter Amendment. It was THIS COMMISSION that did not honor our vote.
Let's start telling the facts here, anonymous, something you folks just don't ever do. :)
the Historic board meeting was a complete farce. Heck the Historic board is a farce.William Waters and several attorneys in the room just said that our elections are a farce. WHY IN THE HELL EVEN BOTHER TO HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING DEPT??? We do not need to pay William Waters or anyone in his dept. We don't need architects or planners. We don't even need a single attorney.We don't need a Comp plan. I mean ,why in the hell pay millions on a worthless document that can be changed by the vote of three corrupt morons?
All we need is a small room with a person who has a rubber stamp with the word APPROVED on it.Even Loretta Sharpe could do the job.Any developer coming into town could just submit whatever FUC$ING plans they wanted to the little woman in the "Approval Department", pay the appropriate "approval" fees to a majority of our Commissioners, and BINGO -DONE!
We would get the exact results we are getting today.
Is the place filled w/asbestos & lead paint?
If it's not now, it will be.
It's filled with Hookers,Druggies and Vagrants, Oh my !
It's also available for the occasional private booze fest for certain Lake Worth dignitaries.
I find it interesting that you fail to mention the most important argument made here about the benefits the hotel will bring to the city and why it's worth fighting over 10 feet in height. It's as if nothing matters but stopping development in Lake Worth. You can talk about the election over and over again but you know full well that the Republicans do not want land use controlled by local elections and that's why they passed a law that applied retroactively making your win a nullity. That's a fact you cannot deny. Why you want to stop this hotel from building one extra floor is beyond me. Oh, it's an election year and you can tell everyone the commission is selling out the city when if fact you know that this one parcel is not a sell out. Give me a break.
You are so WRONG, anonymous. You can give me a break!
This has nothing to do with what Hudson Holdings says it is going to do. Because they open their mouths and say they are going to do this, that and the next thing is not cut in stone. They can change their minds as soon as the up-zoning is approved. They should be telling us that they will build 4 stories and that is it. This up-zoning will allow them to go 65 feet. That is the fact.
Next, our Charter amendment was not a referendum on land use. Our win is a win. That is a fact and heights remain at 45 feet.
You knuckleheads. As soon as they get the zoning they want, they will then go to demolish this historic building. Then they will build to 65 feet and have their parking garage. The little one story house on S. Lakeside along with some of the little houses down the street will be smothered to death by a greedy developer and a totally corrupt city commission. You will have those dumb azz women from the condo getting their parking spaces and they will be joyous. After all of that, you can invite Kim Jong Un over for a drink at the bar. Don't forget Szerdi and Blackman. All of you will have a lot in common.
They don't have to have a parking garage. They don't have to do anything. Except sell the property. With the new zoning. And the new buyer will come in and go before the "historic" board and say, we can't do what we planned to do with this property,so if you really care about Lake Worth and are not a total uncaring a-hole who wants only sand in Lake Worth, you will give us NEW and INCREASED zoning. It's only reasonable, after all.
And the Condo crazies who sold their souls for a parking spot will instead get a 75 foot solid wall to look at.No sun, no breeze. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
Sign me-Supervisor,approval dept. Lake Worth
Anon at 6:34 ,,,, I find it interesting that you fail to recognize an election by the people of Lake Worth .An election that at 1 second after midnight the day after the election put into LAW that only a structure of 45 feet can be built inn this area.
The law is still in effect.
It's as if you want only inappropriate density and non compliant structures to be built in Lake Worth.You are a growth whore.That's a fact you cannot deny.
I went to the Histerical Board meeting and I thought the meeting was about rezoning the surrounding area from MF30 to Downtown. It would seem to be preordained like most everything to do with development here, and merely a performance to fulfill necessary stipulations of supposedly representative governing. Initiative and referendum and rule of law were ingrained into me in grade school for Pete's sake as cornerstones of democracy. So I guess I have to ask if it is still possible to have representative democracy even in Florida? Is it only for developers? I know Rick Scott believes in buying elections; does that mean all Floridians must also buy into that?
Points well taken.
However, Rick Scott invested $60 mil into his campaign years ago. Donald Trump is using his own money too. Why is that wrong? If you think about it, no special interest money and none from developers perhaps.
And, it takes a lot of money for campaigns. We, on the grassroots side of Lake Worth politics, know, all too well, how difficult it is to raise money. Just to give to a campaign is a sacrifice for most folks (I budget for it) but they do it because they know it is necessary to fight for the truth and end corruption.
Sorry guys you won an election that was declared illegal by the State of Florida. That sucks. Now if it was reversed and the election was about increasing heights and that side won would you still argue it's law and the heights have to go higher? You know you would be saying the election is null and void. Stop crying over spilled milk. You failed.
WRONG, anonymous @8:57.
It was declared moot because of this city's biased interpretation and twisting that bill to fit their narrative. The State of Florida did NOT declare our charter Amendment illegal. Can you get any fact correct?
Am I the only one who has a real problem with the statement by anonymous at 8:57: "Sorry guys, you won an election that was declared illegal by the State of Florida." I have a real problem when elections are conducted properly and then retroactively declared "illegal." In a democracy?? Really?? I thought that was more like how elections in Cuba, Russia, and China were handled. WTF besides corruption is going on when elections are won and retroactively declared "null and void" or other cockamamie legal bs words for saying: if you don't vote like we tell you, doesn't matter. We just declare it not so. Yours truly, Your Divine Emperors. Now please be good little citizens and kizz our collective azzez and shut up. You will pay for overdevelopment whether you like it or not.
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