Glen Torcivia, city attorney--
Worth his weight in Gold
Worth his weight in Gold
One legal opinion siding with his bosses
4 of whom stomped on democracy
4 of whom stomped on democracy
Last night, the attorney who reports to the commission, a body that stalled this referendum from the get-go, gave his legal opinion-- the heights referendum is null and void due to a recent change on a bill that Governor Scott recently signed. Was anyone really surprised?
The bill, HB 537 prohibits initiative or referendum
processes for any development order, local comprehensive plan amendment, or
map amendment.
That
was NOT what the heights election was about. It was a CHARTER CHANGE and in order to
change the Charter, it must be by vote of the electorate.The Charter is the bible or Constitution of the city, not the comprehensive plan or a map that can be changed by a political vote from the dais. The Charter already addressed heights. That is why Respectful Planning PAC was formed and took the issue to the voters. Their vote was decided on March 12, 2013 and it is supreme.
Even Vice Mayor Maxwell got rip roaring mad and red in the face by going so far as to accuse Commissioner McVoy of lying about heights by saying that the commission NEVER wanted to raise the heights; they wanted to lower them. Even Maxwell is confused about the Comprehensive Plan and the Charter. The commission RAISED heights in the Comprehensive Plan and this is why the Political Action Committee was formed to allow the people to vote.
This entire commission minus Commissioner McVoy has always wanted more heights in our downtown. Even now when the vote was decided and 56% of the voters said NO to their demands, they are stomping on democracy just one more time to get their way. You never would have known that last night with all the soft peddling they did. Triolo, Maxwell and Amoroso are all up for re-election. Even commissioner Szerdi, another conveniently "confused" commissioner, said he thought the language of the ballot initiative was "confusing." Last night you felt as if you were in the campaign all over again. The ONLY thing confusing was their argument and devious tactics or stating that they had "no pony in the race." Of course they always did and do.
It was NOT an initiative or referendum for any development order
It was NOT an initiative or referendum for any local comprehensive plan
It was NOT an initiative or referendum for any map amendment.
It WAS an initiative or referendum to amend our Charter.
Florida Statutes mandate referendum when 10% of the registered voters sign a petition for it. When the referendum is successful, the Charter must be changed according to the expressed will of the people. Last night, this commission told the voters who wanted to keep our city at 45 feet that their vote did not matter to them.
When it comes to legal issues, there are always differences of opinion. That is why there is even a divide in the Supreme Court with 5/4 decisions. The Chair of Respectful Planning PAC said, "I will bring them to court."
24 comments:
History Repeats Itself
"...acts of pretended legislation"
For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
Are you saying that your legal opinion is right and our City Attorney's legal opinion is wrong? If so, I'd like to know how long you've been a lawyer and is your legal specialty government law?
So, you too are confused?
What I said, anonymous, is that a legal opinion is only that. It is not cut in stone. Torcivia works for this commission and therefore he gave them the opinion that they wanted and expected.
10:38 Have you not read the law,seems not. It was not our attorneys opinion, it is the law. Your misguided opinion of his simply reading the mandate of the state and that he was partial to the dais just ties in with all your groups conspiracy theories. If your groups actions are considered frivolous by the court you can be held responsible for the cities legal fees. We are tiring of your blatant lies and after review may be considered actionable.
Any Lawyer who doesn't understand
the "SUPREMACY CLAUSE" in the Constitution and what UNALIENABLE RIGHTS are has nothing more than a FALSE OPINION and should FRIGHTEN US. This ALLOWS Punishment over Protection! Too much Power in 3 people OVER We the People!
Un-A-Lien-Able Rights:
You are Born with Natural Rights (like DNA) from YOUR Creator.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Article 4 Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a republican (or REPRESENTATIVE) form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the Executive (when the legislature cannot be convened), against domestic violence.
I keep telling you, if you are tired--GO TO BED. Thanks for your input. I can always count on the bullies to appear here. It's not over til its over.
Preamble to the Bill of Rights:
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction (Misunderstanding) or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory (Legal Description/Interpretation) and restrictive (Limited/Limiting) clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
Amendment 9
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
to the people
we the people
NOT 3 of the people
Here's a great truth
from China...
"Justice? I’ve always wanted to live a just life; in a society where everyone’s equal, where the law reigns supreme, where the city management don’t beat the rabble, where school principals don’t check into hotel rooms with their students, where doctors focus on treating their patients. But I was born into this society, breathing highly polluted air, eating food that could kill you at any time, watching the director of some state tobacco bureau accumulating millions. I want to ask, do you see justice? Do you believe the Chinese Dream will ever be realized? It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, either way I believe it."
"When over ten thousand pigs collectively jumped into the Huangpu River, I realized that if I don’t believe in this “justice,” I’ll end up just like them. I’ve been waiting to live a “just” life, where the government officials are honest and do real work, where the businessmen run their businesses conscientiously, where the housing prices are not so ridiculously high, and where the people live in happiness and contentment."
"There’s only a few minutes left before I have to turn in my test paper, and I already know my essay has pricked the test grader’s tiny little heart. Give me a zero then, my dear grader. I’m not scared, Sanlu milk powder didn’t kill me, so what more could a zero grade do? Don’t hesitate; scrawl down the grade, and then you can go play mahjong…"
http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/stories/chinese-style-justice-0-points-gaokao-essay-from-sichuan.html
Weetha, you miss the point on so many levels. Read the law and grasp the issue.
I really wish that "We The people" would go to law school and take a course in constitutional law. I am so tired of her using the Constitution to justify everything that she is unhappy with. It really is sad to think that the constitution prevents the State of Florida from making laws that folks don't like. If only that were true.
What's the law? What Glen Torcivia spouted? Perhaps so but hopefully a court will determine that one.
I've read the LAW - here it is
so you can too! This is from the
US Citizenship Test
A: Principles of American Democracy
1. What is the supreme law of the land?
▪ the Constitution
2. What does the Constitution do?
▪ sets up the government
▪ defines the government
▪ protects basic rights of Americans
3. The idea of self-government is in the first three words of the Constitution. What are these words?
▪ We the People
12. What is the “rule of law”?
▪ Everyone must follow the law.
▪ Leaders must obey the law.
▪ Government must obey the law.
▪ No one is above the law.
It is an UNinformed Lawyer that will take US to Court to Fight the Very People he is paid to protect!
No one liked it when Bush said he
was the "Decider" and I sure as Heck won't stand for it in my City where OUR REPS SWORE an OATH to Protect and Defend not Punish US!
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law
(Shall Make No Law, Shall Make No Law, Shall Make No Law, Shall Make No Law, Shall Make No Law,) respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
...AND to Petition the Government for a Redress of Grievances. What pray tell do you think a referendum is???
You're tired?. God to bed.
To Weetha, the Redcoats are coming.
Perhaps this time it's Pirates
coming...(or what Frederic
Bastiat called Legal Plunder)
Piracy is typically an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea. The term can include acts committed on land, in the air, or in other major bodies of water or on a shore. It does not normally include crimes committed against persons traveling on the same vessel as the perpetrator (e.g. one passenger stealing from others on the same vessel). The term has been used throughout history to refer to raids across land borders by non-state agents.
Piracy is the name of a specific crime under customary international law and also the name of a number of crimes under the municipal law of a number of States. It is distinguished from privateering, which is authorized by national authorities and therefore a legitimate form of war-like activity by non-state actors.[1] Privateering is considered commerce raiding, and was outlawed by the Peace of Westphalia (1648) for signatories to those treaties.
Those who engage in acts of piracy are called pirates. Historically, offenders have usually been apprehended by military personnel and tried by military tribunals.
In the 21st century, the international community is facing many problems in bringing pirates to justice.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy
i left a comment favorable to 3 6 story hotels being financially a boom for l.w. you chose not to post it. sort of makes this blog invalid. signed helen dell.
Sorry--I am not going to post something that is full of political mumbo jumbo. Don't think you can come over here and post lies. Your comments are invalid, not this blog.
What's it take for a recall?
John Szerdi's favorite line seems to be "I'm confused!"
He must be a confused man cause of hanging out with Loretta.
7:38 sounds like you helen. did you get your pool pass.
Did anyone else at the Tuesday night meeting think that the CM seems aloof and not all there? He just seems like a real ditz the way he reacts, speaks, and handles things when put on the spot, doesn't seem like much of an intellect, thoughts????
This Scott Maxwell is a nasty thing, not to mention xxxx or very fouled mouthed, but he acts superior to the rest of us, speaks out of his ass and doesn't do anything effective for the city. Recall how he has said for years he would do something about all the blight and conditions in the west and south? What happened Scott? What have you done? He has less than one hand full of friends, he has betrayed a city and its people, no one respects him, one because of his lack of care for himself and filthy mouth, but because he is not doing the will of the people and while some might talk to him or say hi to be polite most people in this city know that Scott is a huge waste to our city and people, filthy big mouthed waste, just so nasty. He should be ashamed of himself, he knows that most do not care for him, he won't have much support if he runs again up against a good candidate, I would never vote for him if I could before or int he future. What a disappointment to our city and people!
GEEZ 4:16 take a step and and do something to improve your neighborhood.You complain and do nothing. Look at your own property, pick up after yourself.
Anon 12:46 - the new CM never seems to be all there. He's either in pirate mode or wannabe stand up comedian. Either way, not the makings of a CEO of a municipality. He's an embarrassment and has no grasp of when it's ok to be jovial and when one needs to be serious and professional.
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