"We have to release market forces and let people have choices."
Since you wrote it, maybe you want to explain what this means. The ACA had a number of different companies offering a number of choices of coverage at different levels.
So how does this "release market forces and let people have choices" differ from this? And how do you make it a viable system when a person buys in to an insurance plan that offers minimum insurance (like PIP car insurance) and then has a massive stroke or heart attack the next day and can't pay for the costs incurred to save him or her?
I have read that at least 1/3rd of counties across the country only have one insurance carrier from which to choose as well has some states. Florida just got a 17% increase in premium rates. With a new plan, people will be able to cross state lines to buy their health insurance as Trump is allowing insurance carrier to sell it across state lines. You don't have to be insured as there is no fee. The GOP plan will allow young people to buy stripped down catastrophic coverage plans at very low premium costs. This should lower costs for all as they are not forced to buy something they do not need. People who elect to be uninsured, take the risk. That's what insurance is all about and it's free will. I insure my condo and spend plenty of money doing so. I have had one claim in all these years. Obamacare is unsustainable. Don't we need something people can afford?
So what happens when one of these "young people" who have one of these "stripped down plans" runs his car into a tree? Who pays for his bills if he/she can't? No one knows what tomorrow holds. A perfectly healthy person with a "stripped down plan" could fall off a cliff while hiking and incur huge medical costs...I don't want to pick up his/her bills through my higher premiums, do you?
As far as where Obamacare is failing....check and see who are the governors of those states and whether they ever expanded Medicaid and then get back to me. Republicans have been trying to strangle the ACA since the day it was passed. Gov. Scott and others are using the pain of their residents to justify needing a whole new plan. And for those who aren't paying attention or who have an agenda, it's working.
Who do you think pays for them today ,knucklehead? YOU DO ! I do! We all do ! No one is ever turned away from a hospital in your scenarios above.And meanwhile, nobody can afford to use their damn Obammacare because the deductibles are so frigging high!!!!! Before this TURD BOMB by Democrats, I paid 20 $ to see a specialist. Now I pay 80. We used to pay 250.00 a month with a 2,000 $ deductible. Now we pay 520$ per moth for a 10,000 deduct. We're still healthy We feel lucky we can even find insurance.
Are we not as worthy of premium insurance coverage as the swamp dwellers we purport to despise. If we can't have the same coverage as congress, forget about it, and institute single payer.
Those poor Europeans who spend their summers in exotic vacation spots while we decry their socialist system. Are you people nuts?
Death panels? Take the blue pill if you're over 50 and break a hip? Forced euthanasia???? I know Brits who flew to Andros island to have their teeth cleaned. They had a husband working there. Lucky Brit.Why does anybody with any money over seas fly here for procedures? When has ANYTHING the Govt controlled not totally FUC$ED UP?? If you want single payer ,move to England. And I'll pray for you.
Just as a side note to Anon @ 5:58's comment....health insurance pays medical bills unless you don't carry enough health insurance. So if people have adequate coverage, their insurance pays the bills. When people are allowed to carry skimpy plans and they can't pay, we all pay because the insurance companies don't have to pay.
It's kinda easy stuff for most folks to understand.
I'd be willing to bet 9:54, that you have a red sign on your lawn. Europe is not a monolith. Andros Island is certainly a beautiful place to have your teeth cleaned.
1:36...LOL. What do red signs have to do with anything? Socialized medicine is failing in Europe. Patients can't even choose how they receive their care -- it's one-size-fits-all medicine. Take it or leave it or die...OR, come to America and get that procedure done. We can't afford Obamacare any longer. The goal of the Republican Party is to lower taxes, not increase them and pay what Europeans are paying, 60% or higher in some cases.
Lynn, I don't know what kind of insurance you have, but check out how much laser spine surgery for sciatica pain will cost you at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa. Of course, you can always have the 4 hour surgery, and take the chance of waking up with dementia from the anesthesia. You only get the best medical care if you are rich and are willing to pay for it. I don't care what country you are in.
Where did you dig up this nonsense about health care faiking in Europe? First I've heard of this as I am European and many of my friends are as well, both in the E.U. and those not. Please include a credible source, thank you.
@4:34...there are plenty of sources out there. If you love it so much, I am assuming you are living there and under their system. What's credible to you may not be to me, so forget about that. https://www.pacificresearch.org/article/socialized-medicine-a-global-failure/
Yes I do love it there and will go back when my grandchildren finish secondary school. Haven't heard of anything in our media about any major issues mostly modernizing facilities and geriatric home care. What is your favorite part of Europe, have you visited the homeland?
I think the buying insurance across state lines argument is a red herring. I have shopped car insurance at enough companies to know that there are no significant differences in rates over the long term to make switching companies worth while. They may have a lower rate when you become a policy holder, but the next year the premium goes up. In the meantime, your old company may or may not take you back, but for sure the premium will increase.
"We have to release market forces and let people have choices."
ReplyDeleteSince you wrote it, maybe you want to explain what this means. The ACA had a number of different companies offering a number of choices of coverage at different levels.
So how does this "release market forces and let people have choices" differ from this? And how do you make it a viable system when a person buys in to an insurance plan that offers minimum insurance (like PIP car insurance) and then has a massive stroke or heart attack the next day and can't pay for the costs incurred to save him or her?
I have read that at least 1/3rd of counties across the country only have one insurance carrier from which to choose as well has some states. Florida just got a 17% increase in premium rates. With a new plan, people will be able to cross state lines to buy their health insurance as Trump is allowing insurance carrier to sell it across state lines. You don't have to be insured as there is no fee. The GOP plan will allow young people to buy stripped down catastrophic coverage plans at very low premium costs. This should lower costs for all as they are not forced to buy something they do not need. People who elect to be uninsured, take the risk. That's what insurance is all about and it's free will. I insure my condo and spend plenty of money doing so. I have had one claim in all these years. Obamacare is unsustainable. Don't we need something people can afford?
ReplyDeleteSo what happens when one of these "young people" who have one of these "stripped down plans" runs his car into a tree? Who pays for his bills if he/she can't? No one knows what tomorrow holds. A perfectly healthy person with a "stripped down plan" could fall off a cliff while hiking and incur huge medical costs...I don't want to pick up his/her bills through my higher premiums, do you?
ReplyDeleteAs far as where Obamacare is failing....check and see who are the governors of those states and whether they ever expanded Medicaid and then get back to me. Republicans have been trying to strangle the ACA since the day it was passed. Gov. Scott and others are using the pain of their residents to justify needing a whole new plan. And for those who aren't paying attention or who have an agenda, it's working.
Who do you think pays for them today ,knucklehead? YOU DO ! I do! We all do ! No one is ever turned away from a hospital in your scenarios above.And meanwhile, nobody can afford to use their damn Obammacare because the deductibles are so frigging high!!!!! Before this TURD BOMB by Democrats, I paid 20 $ to see a specialist. Now I pay 80. We used to pay 250.00 a month with a 2,000 $ deductible. Now we pay 520$ per moth for a 10,000 deduct. We're still healthy We feel lucky we can even find insurance.
ReplyDeleteAre we not as worthy of premium insurance coverage as the swamp dwellers we purport to despise. If we can't have the same coverage as congress, forget about it, and institute single payer.
ReplyDeleteThose poor Europeans who spend their summers in exotic vacation spots while we decry their socialist system. Are you people nuts?
Death panels? Take the blue pill if you're over 50 and break a hip? Forced euthanasia???? I know Brits who flew to Andros island to have their teeth cleaned. They had a husband working there. Lucky Brit.Why does anybody with any money over seas fly here for procedures? When has ANYTHING the Govt controlled not totally FUC$ED UP?? If you want single payer ,move to England. And I'll pray for you.
ReplyDeleteJust as a side note to Anon @ 5:58's comment....health insurance pays medical bills unless you don't carry enough health insurance. So if people have adequate coverage, their insurance pays the bills. When people are allowed to carry skimpy plans and they can't pay, we all pay because the insurance companies don't have to pay.
ReplyDeleteIt's kinda easy stuff for most folks to understand.
I'd be willing to bet 9:54, that you have a red sign on your lawn. Europe is not a monolith. Andros Island is certainly a beautiful place to have your teeth cleaned.
ReplyDelete1:36...LOL.
ReplyDeleteWhat do red signs have to do with anything?
Socialized medicine is failing in Europe. Patients can't even choose how they receive their care -- it's one-size-fits-all medicine. Take it or leave it or die...OR, come to America and get that procedure done.
We can't afford Obamacare any longer. The goal of the Republican Party is to lower taxes, not increase them and pay what Europeans are paying, 60% or higher in some cases.
Lynn, I don't know what kind of insurance you have, but check out how much laser spine surgery for sciatica pain will cost you at the Laser Spine Institute in Tampa. Of course, you can always have the 4 hour surgery, and take the chance of waking up with dementia from the anesthesia. You only get the best medical care if you are rich and are willing to pay for it. I don't care what country you are in.
ReplyDeleteWhere did you dig up this nonsense about health care faiking in Europe? First I've heard of this as I am European and many of my friends are as well, both in the E.U. and those not. Please include a credible source, thank you.
ReplyDelete@4:34...there are plenty of sources out there. If you love it so much, I am assuming you are living there and under their system. What's credible to you may not be to me, so forget about that.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.pacificresearch.org/article/socialized-medicine-a-global-failure/
Yes I do love it there and will go back when my grandchildren finish secondary school. Haven't heard of anything in our media about any major issues mostly modernizing facilities and geriatric home care. What is your favorite part of Europe, have you visited the homeland?
ReplyDeleteI think the buying insurance across state lines argument is a red herring. I have shopped car insurance at enough companies to know that there are no significant differences in rates over the long term to make switching companies worth while. They may have a lower rate when you become a policy holder, but the next year the premium goes up. In the meantime, your old company may or may not take you back, but for sure the premium will increase.
ReplyDelete